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Poster: deadheadnorway Date: Jun 3, 2011 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna's Paycheck / Vince.

I found this article, which is not the interview I mentioned in my earlier post. But it explains how the money were divided when Vince was a member:

"The famously egalitarian band offered Welnick almost full participation in the concert revenues, merchandise and other partnership holdings, rather than simply taking him on as a sideman. At the time, the Dead was the most popular rock group in the country, pulling down more than $50 million a year at the box office. His earnings soared. He started wearing tie-dye. He bought a Mexican vacation home."

(http://articles.sfgate.com/2006-06-30/entertainment/17300495_1_vince-welnick-grateful-dead-dead-keyboardist/4)

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jun 3, 2011 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna's Paycheck / Vince.

heh, heh, heh. I was reading it and thinking this is the most disjointed, blog-esque journalism I have ever read. THEN, I noticed I was starting from page 4. Sorry, SFGate, for all those nasty thoughts about your skill.

Nice find, my Nordic buddy. You have been a nice infusion of some fresh blood around here. Keep on keepin' on.

TOOTMO

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jun 3, 2011 3:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna's Paycheck / Vince.

Your first impulse wasn't that far off base.

"But an announced reunion of all four remaining original members of the Dead at a two-day rock festival in Alpine Village, Mich?" Ask DeadHeadWisconsin where Alpine Valley is located. That's sloppy work for any reporter.

Selvin is notorious for quoting a source and not striving to identify the origin of information from the source. The Dead did use the SF Chronicle from time to time for marketing purposes.

Joel Selvin, Chronicle Senior Pop Music Critic, indeed!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 3, 2011 9:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna's Paycheck / Vince.

>Selvin is notorious for quoting a source and not striving to identify the origin of information from the source.

Just FYI, if you quote a source -- e.g., have something between quote marks -- the source is the person after the word 'said.' E.g., "The world is coming to an end on May 21," said Harold Camping. You don't then, as a journalist, try to find out Harold Camping's source and check with it. ("Sorry, editor, I put in a call to God to say if he REALLY said that, but he hasn't gotten back.")

I think what you mean to charge is that the writer has a reputation for repeating information without checking the source. Dunno if that's true, but that's what you mean, I think.

Weird about "Alpine Village," though ... I mean, that's the kinda thing you pull from a press packet or by googling, so how can you get THAT wrong? What surprises me is that no one in the newsroom spotted that error and corrected it online. Apparently no one in the community called, either. In SF?!?

Other than the Alpine Village Dumbo Moment, though, it seems like a well-written and thoroughly researched story to me. And very, very sad. Poor Vince. Poor everyone who dealt with him as he collapsed. A no-win situation. Or if there was a way to win, no one found it. Thanks for sharing this, Norway.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jun 4, 2011 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna's Paycheck / Vince.

The famously egalitarian band offered Welnick almost full participation in the concert revenues, merchandise and other partnership holdings, rather than simply taking him on as a sideman.

"Almost" is vague, if this information was delivered to Selvin from the lips of the other living board members Lesh, Weir, Hart, Kruetzmann; Sears or Law, then fine, but they wouldn't have revealed that specific private information to Selvin.

In my opinion there are a couple of credible journalist's writing about the history of the Grateful Dead, Dennis McNally, David Gans and Blair Jackson come to mind. Sometimes i have to challenge Rock Scully's memory and his focus on selling books, but he indeed was at the party for 20 long years and survived.

Their information is delivered from the lips of the performers or immediate staff and eye-witness accounts from their personal experiences.

In terms of journalistic integrity third party information should be validated. Knowledge is based on experience, everything else is just information.

I stand on my statement, thanks for weighing-in.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 4, 2011 7:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna's Paycheck / Vince.

Except that you didn't understand what I said. I just gave you the definition of a quote. That's all :-)

Incidentally, McNally isn't/wasn't a journalist. He was the band's PR guy. That means he's the guy journalists would talk to in order to gain access, verify info, etc. The "almost" info is fairly likely to have come from McNally, along with lots of other stuff in Selvin's story.

Trust me, if journalists had to write "according to the public relations person" every time a PR guy was the source of info, stories would double in length ...

Btw, Rock Scully isn't a journalist, either. (I'm sure you didn't mean that, LOL.) The book was written with David Dalton, who is indeed a journalist (but presumably wasn't verifying for it, because it's a memoir). That's why it reads so well, of course. Rock's colorful memories plus Dalton's "gonzo journalism" style.

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2011-06-05 02:48:15

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jun 5, 2011 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna's Paycheck / Vince.

Sharp mind, good points, well taken. Author didn't appear to be appropriate language, how many publications does one need to publish to earn the title of journalist?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/29/PKA51JIDAP.DTL

Here's a link to a recent interview with Weir from the Chronicle. Check out the photoshop figure of Lesh, almost what his wax museum character will look like one day.

There's also a hint from the source at the end of the article regarding Weir's costume habit. Back in the "Touch" days he would wear a wig just to drive from his house down the hill to the village.



This post was modified by dark.starz on 2011-06-05 23:42:27

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Poster: reviewr Date: Jun 3, 2011 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Donna's Paycheck / Vince.

Interesting article. Seems to strongly suggest that Donna did get paid the same as eveyone else - doesn't seem right to me.

For Vince to want to get together so badly with the band is both kind of funny and sad. I think most of us would agree that of the keyboard players he was the one who had the hardest time getting into the flow of the music. I guess he didn't see that.

The "Alpine Village, Mich." line makes me wonder if one can believe anything here.